is the gf1...

back alley said:
don't believe me?

too dramatic eh?
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Well, nobody here REALLY believes you'll ever settle on eon kit, but a digital CLE or CL? Since I'd go for one, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I'd like a GF-1, but the price is too rich for my current income, so I'd be more likely to go for a Canon G11 or a EPL-1, but I can see why people would want a GF-1. A Summicron-C 40 as a portrait lens? My Canon FD 35 to 105 F3.5 as a telephoto? Yeah, I could go for that...
 
buy the gh1 body with the novoflex adapter instead. and get the 20mm pancake because that thing will blow you away. so will a 90mm cron or elmarit on the gh1 - nuts.
 
I've been keeping a close eye on Panasonic's Micro 4/3rds efforts. The GF-1 with the 20mm lens is really impressive and comes very close to my ideal digital camera. Might just wait for one with a built-in EVF (GF-2?) and the release of the 14mm f/2.5 before pulling the trigger.

A compact digital camera kit with a 40mm and a 28mm would serve as a great complement to my film cameras.
 
I've used my GF1 a fair bit, but yesterday was the first time I took it around all day. I really enjoyed it.

It felt rather like my beloved Hexar AF - not remotely CL-like, but well-engineered and purposeful, I found myself doing a lot of grab shots for the fun of it; it's a revelation compared to my G9, which I always hated, and I found in spot-focus mode it's not hugelly slower than the Hexar. And although I'll never come to love the screen to focus, it's significantly easier to sneak photos of people - I think because it's pretty obviously a digital P&S people expect you to spend more time composing the shot than it needs.

For me, though, there's still a big learning curve in terms of digital processing. You can process an awful lot of TriX for the cost of Lightroom.
 
Well i have a CL with cron 40, and the other day i couldn't help myself and bought a GF1 w/20mm. For me it does the same thing as the CL except for the B&W. Digital still has problems to match B&W film....but i rellay enjoy the GF1. I was actually thinking to sell the CL, but then the street cred will be gone 😛
 
back alley said:
there will never be another cle, not exactly anyway.

but, for now, the similarities are enough.

but the day there is a more direct cle digital remake is the day i sell it all and settle down with one kit.
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:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:
Not for me, I'll keep the CLE for quite a while, but just put my GF1 up for sale in Classified section, plus Cmount lenses and lens converters (includes a M-mount converter).

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I'm the guy who dismissed any thought of a digital CLE as heresy when this thread first started, but a couple of things are staring to modify my feelings, at least a little.

My preferred setup for years was a CLE with a collapsible 50 Summicron mounted and the 28 and 90 in my pockets. I had M3, M5 (the best M, IMHO) and M6, but the CLE was my camera. Now looking at the GF-1 and the EP's, the 20 and 25 lenses currently available, the rumored 14 2.5 and the 45 2.8 I think maybe it's coming.

The form factor is right, the focal lengths are right, even a little faster than what I had, and the size is right. All that, coupled with what a delight my wife's G1 is to use makes me feel that maybe again I can go out with a lens on the camera and a 28 and 90 in my pockets. Now if the would only put that great EP-2 VF built into the body all would be right with my world.

No quite all. I despair of ever getting a digital replacement for my Contax T.
 
I don't know what a CLE is (pardon me being still a n00b) but I'm always bugged by the tendency of camera makers to push the viewfinder less. I still believe that shooting involve in most situations to bring the camera to your eyes (or close to you like when you use a TLR). That's what bugs me with the GF-1, or the Olympus E-PL1 (and friends). Granted that I still haven't tried one in the field...

Am I just "high" for thinking that?
 
Flinor said:
No quite all. I despair of ever getting a digital replacement for my Contax T.
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I carried a T2 and T3 for years. There is a freedom of having one focal length with you. Images that fit that FL is all you look for.

Ok, its not a replacement but IMHO the Ricoh GRD series is the closest to a Contax T you will get at the moment in digital.
 
hub said:
I don't know what a CLE is (pardon me being still a n00b) but I'm always bugged by the tendency of camera makers to push the viewfinder less. I still believe that shooting involve in most situations to bring the camera to your eyes (or close to you like when you use a TLR). That's what bugs me with the GF-1, or the Olympus E-PL1 (and friends). Granted that I still haven't tried one in the field...

Am I just "high" for thinking that?
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I take my GF1 around with a Helios viewfinder permanently attached. IT's actually a pretty poor match for the 40mm, despite being nominally 35mm, it shows a much narrower frame than what's captured on the sensor.

But I find having both the screen, and the VF, is fantastic. There are a lot of shots that are far easier to capture at chest level... particularly of people. THey never really notice when you compose on screen.

Conversely, there are a lot of shots, particulalry in crowds, where you have to put your camera up to your eye. Having both is not an option I've tried before and I'm surprised how well it works.
 
hub said:
I don't know what a CLE is (pardon me being still a n00b) but I'm always bugged by the tendency of camera makers to push the viewfinder less. I still believe that shooting involve in most situations to bring the camera to your eyes (or close to you like when you use a TLR). That's what bugs me with the GF-1, or the Olympus E-PL1 (and friends). Granted that I still haven't tried one in the field...

Am I just "high" for thinking that?
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Use an optical finder for my 12mm, 17mm, and 21mm lenses. I don't understand your comment?
 
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