dave lackey
Veteran
Yes, John, I agree and that is correct if one is a bokeh junkie like me...it can be disconcerting. But, on the other hand, I find nothing wrong with the bokeh in these X1 images:
http://www.flickriver.com/groups/leicax1/pool/interesting/
The X1/X2 has amazingly good IQ...that is indisputable by any review ever done. Enough OOF? Shallow enough DOF? Depends on taste.
Can't do macro? BS...I have been doing a lot of it lately with the X1. A Kiwifoto extension tube, a step up ring and a closeup filter is all you need....
Or, just tape the filters over the lens...or, just tape a small magnifying glass on and you are good to go. LOL...
http://www.flickriver.com/groups/leicax1/pool/interesting/
The X1/X2 has amazingly good IQ...that is indisputable by any review ever done. Enough OOF? Shallow enough DOF? Depends on taste.
Can't do macro? BS...I have been doing a lot of it lately with the X1. A Kiwifoto extension tube, a step up ring and a closeup filter is all you need....
Or, just tape the filters over the lens...or, just tape a small magnifying glass on and you are good to go. LOL...
dave lackey
Veteran
This weekend I will be doing digital infrared with the X1 (Thanks Thom!).... will let you see the results when I get them!
Paul T.
Veteran
Thanks for posting the review
Looking at the Photos in that review kind of put me off...
Many of the OOF areas seemed Smeary & some a tad muddy...disappointing to me
Hmmmm....this is why I have a hard time buying into digital
I notice this a lot too.
Obviously some of this is simply due to the different rendering of film and a sensor. But I wonder if some of this effect is due to jpegs. A Jpeg tends to reduce the amount of data in areas that have less information. A blurred, bokeh-ish bit of the photo might quite possibly be compressed more than a busy, higher-contrast part of the photo - hence smeariness?
davidmknoble
Newbie
Having an M-4, M-6ttl, M-8, Dlux 3 and Dlux 5, I have enjoyed the X-1. The 2.0 firmware was a significant help in the focus department. The lens is very sharp at 4.0 and extremely sharp at 5.6. I use the 24mm external viewfinder to save battery life and turn off the display. I have also printed 13x19 images using an Epson R2400 on fine art paper with extremely good results (using Nik plugins with Lightroom). I also use the manual focus with f/5.6 frequently with no problem (no more than using an M-8 without focusing before shooting kids, etc.)
I see X1 limitations including the noise with upper ISO speeds, which are necessary with the f/2.8 in lower light. I also think (personal opinion) that the controls should be metal and much, much tighter to turn which is done on the Dlux series well. I think the true APS-C sized sensor is very good (the Dlux 5 is only 4/3) which is approaching the M-8.
So, what does the X-2 have? If the focusing is ultra fast, that would be helpful, but not critical. The ISO setting appears tremendous and the additional pixels would help with sharp enlargements. Best I can tell (haven't used one yet), the X-2 has the same top dials and doesn't improve how easy those are to accidentally move.
My conclusion is that the best reason to upgrade would be the increased ISO speed and 30% more pixels, but that should be in new technology. For the cost, I am saving for either a new M lens or trading in the M-8 and M-6 for an M-9P. Alas, like most of my Leica equipment, I shall wait until a good used model comes available. I'll post some X-1 photos and come back with links.
I see X1 limitations including the noise with upper ISO speeds, which are necessary with the f/2.8 in lower light. I also think (personal opinion) that the controls should be metal and much, much tighter to turn which is done on the Dlux series well. I think the true APS-C sized sensor is very good (the Dlux 5 is only 4/3) which is approaching the M-8.
So, what does the X-2 have? If the focusing is ultra fast, that would be helpful, but not critical. The ISO setting appears tremendous and the additional pixels would help with sharp enlargements. Best I can tell (haven't used one yet), the X-2 has the same top dials and doesn't improve how easy those are to accidentally move.
My conclusion is that the best reason to upgrade would be the increased ISO speed and 30% more pixels, but that should be in new technology. For the cost, I am saving for either a new M lens or trading in the M-8 and M-6 for an M-9P. Alas, like most of my Leica equipment, I shall wait until a good used model comes available. I'll post some X-1 photos and come back with links.
Best I can tell (haven't used one yet), the X-2 has the same top dials and doesn't improve how easy those are to accidentally move.
Actually, this has been improved. It's no longer an issue.
This weekend I will be doing digital infrared with the X1 (Thanks Thom!).... will let you see the results when I get them!![]()
Hmmm, sounds interesting. I haven't done infrared in 20 years! AND the last time I did it, it was with a Konica film. Don't see that anymore (except on ebay).
dave lackey
Veteran
Hmmm, sounds interesting. I haven't done infrared in 20 years! AND the last time I did it, it was with a Konica film. Don't see that anymore (except on ebay).
Yeah, they are cool...in fact, Memphis just recently posted some nice IR photos with a Nikon he had modified just for IR.
In my case, I have used my Summarit 1.5 IR filter taped onto my D40 and it worked quite well. Will do the same with the X1 just for kicks.
An extension tube, step up ring and filters are all available for the X1 at very low prices should I want to do more than the occasional IR venture.
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wow man, you must be bored![]()
Yes sir... I am.
dave lackey
Veteran
Just waiting for delivery of the X2?![]()
Yes, especially since I'm Leica-less for the first time in years.
dave lackey
Veteran
Yes, especially since I'm Leica-less for the first time in years.![]()
Yikes, you sold the M9?
Well, you never miss your lover more than when you're apart.
Deep Fried
Established
Hi, Helen...
Look over these and you will have a much better idea of the capability of at least THIS digital camera.
http://www.flickriver.com/groups/leicax1/pool/interesting/
that sparth guy on flickr could shoot dog *** with a cell phone and make gold out of it. He does good work
Jubb Jubb
Well-known
@jsrockit
does the X1 beat your (old) M9 in terms of ISO performance?
does the X1 beat your (old) M9 in terms of ISO performance?
@jsrockit
does the X1 beat your (old) M9 in terms of ISO performance?
Yes. I used the X1 all the way up to 3200. The M9, never past 1250.
dave lackey
Veteran
Thanks for posting the review
Looking at the Photos in that review kind of put me off...
Many of the OOF areas seemed Smeary & some a tad muddy...disappointing to me
Hmmmm....this is why I have a hard time buying into digital
As the sun rises this morning, I had a little extra time and found that the link referenced above is indeed up again...so I went back and the photos are truly bad photos, period.
With no experience at all, in February, I picked up a friend's X1, started shooting indoors and outdoors in the grey rain and the worst of my photos without PP was better than anything posted on the link. These are underexposed, poorly processed and dull images. The OOF area are awful. on the link....if I can pull these out of the air, then anyone can do better than the photos on the link:
The flickriver link shows you the way the X1 photos should turn out. Regardless, the link I went to this morning is obviously from a biased user of another camera and proclaims the X2 not worth the money.... too bad, it is his loss. To produce bad images and publish an article that people should not buy that particular camera is bad form.
So many reviews are like anatomical parts that most people don't like to see, much less hear.
dave lackey
Veteran
Yes. I used the X1 all the way up to 3200. The M9, never past 1250.
So, John...any word on delivery date for the X2?:angel:
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