Pherdinand
the snow must go on
OK... i think i'll make a less contrasty shot of the CC, just for you, guys. (I swear the camera is there on the print!) 🙁
Camera and Coffee
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sfaust
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Pherdinand said:
Better yet, send me the CC then you won't have to take another photo. I bet you are the guy that outbid me on that camera recently 🙁 I really wanted it too!
BTW, here is the R2 with the new 21mm and viewfinder that arrived yesterday. I've got the film in now to see how the 21 performs. Should have it tomorrow.
Coffee? Opps. I drank it all while making the image 😉
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
stephen🙂 i was not the one you are looking for. I did not buy it on e-bay, but via a (similar) dutch website. But you should be happy enough with your nice bessa!
FrankS
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Finally, my contribution: My Canon VI-L (that's not for sale, Joe, but I'm still looking for a lens for it, though this Russian job will do for now) and Canada's famous Tim Hortons coffee.
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that's one fine looking cup o coffee!
and what a camera!!!!!! a beauty!
ok i accept the sad fact that the camera is NOT for sale, but i CAN droll, eh?
joe
and what a camera!!!!!! a beauty!
ok i accept the sad fact that the camera is NOT for sale, but i CAN droll, eh?
joe
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Rich Silfver
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I would have to agree with Joe...sweet.........
FrankS
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I have to admit, it's won my heart. But I'm such a camera sl*t! I tend to fall in love with just about any new camera that comes along. I'm even eyeing Brians F2. I've always wanted one of those, but I've already got a black F, and an F4, and I don't do much 35mm photography anymore except with a couple of rangefinders (this Canon VI and a Hexar AF). I'm really hoping that a premo lens for my Canon with quench this mad desire for camera gear. Just one more lens and then I'll stop. I told my wife that the Hexar would be the last camera I'd buy (but then along came this VI!)
FrankS
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Thanks Doug (2). Yes it takes LTM lenses. There is a very large camera flea market coming up this Sunday. I don't know if I will risk the wrath of "she who must be obeyed" by taking time away from the family to go. Alternatively I have a line on a lovely Summicron 50 that I can aquire with a trade for my Super Ikonta + a little cash.
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canon camera needs a canon lens
don't be swayed by the dark side frank.
obi wan
don't be swayed by the dark side frank.
obi wan
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
-Frank
Yeah right😀
FrankS
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Joe, Leicas are over-priced but I think it makes more sense to have a Leica lens on a non-Leica body, than it does to have a non-Leica lens on a Leica body. The body after all only holds the film and the lens together and keeps out unwanted light. You don't really need to spend $1 - 3K to get that. Leica glass on the other hand, you have to admit, is pretty good.
peter_n
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Joe you sound like Erwin Puts - put a Leica lens on a Leica body, Konica lens on a Hexar, CV on a CV, etc. The difference is I know you're joking. You're joking right Joe? Joe... 😉
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joking?
oh yeah, sure, just kiiiidddding, right!
damn, once again, joe is caught in his web of lies and deception!
but seriously, folks...
i think as photographers we do get caught up in the mystique that is leica. much of the canon glass from that time (as the camera) was just as good as the glass coming from leica.
i guess if i were a pro or selling my prints or looking for that absolute edge i would consider all types of scenerios to be that much better than the next guy. but for me, for now, the extra money you have to pay to see leitz on your lens is not worth. the newer leica bodies seem to have as much if not more problems than most japanese cameras.
i doubt that most could tell prints made from cv or canon or leica glass.
this is not a put down of those who pay for and use leica glass, i just don't believe it's a necessity for good pics.
joe
oh yeah, sure, just kiiiidddding, right!
damn, once again, joe is caught in his web of lies and deception!
but seriously, folks...
i think as photographers we do get caught up in the mystique that is leica. much of the canon glass from that time (as the camera) was just as good as the glass coming from leica.
i guess if i were a pro or selling my prints or looking for that absolute edge i would consider all types of scenerios to be that much better than the next guy. but for me, for now, the extra money you have to pay to see leitz on your lens is not worth. the newer leica bodies seem to have as much if not more problems than most japanese cameras.
i doubt that most could tell prints made from cv or canon or leica glass.
this is not a put down of those who pay for and use leica glass, i just don't believe it's a necessity for good pics.
joe
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backalley photo said:
Leitz glass is not necessary to get a good photo.
However, only certain Leitz glass can yield the unmistakable "Leica glow". Some other lenses come close. Call me weird, but I'm a freak when it comes to bokeh, and I just adore the "3D" effect you sometimes get with Leitz glass. I know my Summicron shots are different than the same shots taken with other lenses - and I've tried, believe me 🙂
Since I own a Leica and several chunks of Leitz glass (none of them the latest and the most expensive), I might be biased, though, trying to subconsciously justify the dough I had to shovel for the "Leica" logo in my photo bag...
Still, as regards the original question, I agree with FrankS - I'd rather have Leitz glass on a Zorki than a Jupiter on a Leica. A simple matter of "proof is in the pudding" - i.e. it's the photo that counts. And it's the GLASS that makes or breaks the resulting photo. That's why it's also reasonable to have a Bessa with a Summicron attached - at least more reasonable than having an M7 with a Jupiter (or Canon) lens.
To reiterate, it's the glass that produces the image - not the camera. The camera just keeps the extraneous light out of the image. It's a light-tight box, nothing else. Admittedly, some are better in keeping the light out 😀
And, I also agree with Joe - you don't need a Leica or Leitz glass to get a good photo.
NO gear will make you a better photographer. But, knowing your gear well, and knowing what it can do in a given situation might be of help in getting a better photo - or knowing which gear to use in a given situation.
Hehe, I have to congratulate myself on 100 posts reached! 😎
FrankS
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Please don't hate me Joe. I'm not an equipment snob. I use an old dented Cosina SLR with a screw mount Pentax 50mm f1.4 lens. If the shop had had a Canon lens instead of the Summicron, I would have tried to negotiate a trade for it instead.
Solinar
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Folks, if you look closely, you'll see a range finder somewhere in this image.
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nwcanonman
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Solinar,
Hey, way cool RF on the MF folder. My 1950's Photak could use one of those. Who made it and where can I find one???
Hey, way cool RF on the MF folder. My 1950's Photak could use one of those. Who made it and where can I find one???
Solinar
Analog Preferred
H* It's a Voigtlander RF accessory which worked well with the Vito II and Perkeo, amongst others.
taffer
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backalley photo said:
😱 I've only used my Canon with Ruskie and Cosina Voigtlander glass !!
Oh no ! I can hear them !!! They are approaching... the Spanish inquisition !!!
😛
peter_n
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NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition...
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition...
i think as photographers we do get caught up in the mystique that is leica - Joe
I'd rather have Leitz glass on a Zorki than a Jupiter on a Leica - Denis & Frank
I have an M6ttl with 4 lenses, 2 are Leica and 2 are Japanese. I'm too embarrassed to say why I have a Leica body, but I have one now and I've got used to it and I like it. The concern I have with the Japanese lenses is how the prints will look when they're enlarged because ultimately I'm going to want pretty big enlargements of some of my negs. And I'm talking about big enlargements of pics taken at or near a wide-open aperture, which is where Leica glass shines. Let's not forget that some of the Japanese lenses are not all that cheap either...
On the other hand, you have these Russian lenses. I am mightily impressed with some of the photos I have seen here and elsewhere with the Jupiter-8. I borrowed an old FED Industar-22 and tested it against my (current) Leica Elmar-M 50/2.8, and at the picture level you have to really look carefully with a loupe to see the differences in regular 6x4 prints. I also shot a test chart and the loupe showed up a sharpness differential that was not great, but it was there. I think enlargements would be a problem for that particular FED.
The Jupiter-8 seems to be in a different league. There's a thread over on photo.net where Remy posted some of his J-8 shots and the Leica aficionados were oohing and aahing over them, quite right too. There are other, similar threads on the 'net. The lens is a direct descendent of a Zeiss lens and if you can find a good one it will stand direct comparison with a Summicron, I'm sure of it. I'm looking for one and I absolutely wouldn't have a problem with a Jupiter on my Leica. I think it comes down to what you're going to use the pictures for. If like me you want big enlargements then you want really good glass. Personally I don't care who makes it, I just care about the performance. And, if I can get a J-8 for $40 that's as good as a Summicron for $400 (if I could find one at that price) then that's fine. And the J-8 will be happy sitting on the front of a Leica (I hope)! 🙂
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition...
i think as photographers we do get caught up in the mystique that is leica - Joe
I'd rather have Leitz glass on a Zorki than a Jupiter on a Leica - Denis & Frank
I have an M6ttl with 4 lenses, 2 are Leica and 2 are Japanese. I'm too embarrassed to say why I have a Leica body, but I have one now and I've got used to it and I like it. The concern I have with the Japanese lenses is how the prints will look when they're enlarged because ultimately I'm going to want pretty big enlargements of some of my negs. And I'm talking about big enlargements of pics taken at or near a wide-open aperture, which is where Leica glass shines. Let's not forget that some of the Japanese lenses are not all that cheap either...
On the other hand, you have these Russian lenses. I am mightily impressed with some of the photos I have seen here and elsewhere with the Jupiter-8. I borrowed an old FED Industar-22 and tested it against my (current) Leica Elmar-M 50/2.8, and at the picture level you have to really look carefully with a loupe to see the differences in regular 6x4 prints. I also shot a test chart and the loupe showed up a sharpness differential that was not great, but it was there. I think enlargements would be a problem for that particular FED.
The Jupiter-8 seems to be in a different league. There's a thread over on photo.net where Remy posted some of his J-8 shots and the Leica aficionados were oohing and aahing over them, quite right too. There are other, similar threads on the 'net. The lens is a direct descendent of a Zeiss lens and if you can find a good one it will stand direct comparison with a Summicron, I'm sure of it. I'm looking for one and I absolutely wouldn't have a problem with a Jupiter on my Leica. I think it comes down to what you're going to use the pictures for. If like me you want big enlargements then you want really good glass. Personally I don't care who makes it, I just care about the performance. And, if I can get a J-8 for $40 that's as good as a Summicron for $400 (if I could find one at that price) then that's fine. And the J-8 will be happy sitting on the front of a Leica (I hope)! 🙂
