shenkerian
Established
Did anybody else see how big the lens is?
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/23/sigma-dp2-shows-itself-in-pre-production-form/
Gauging from the hotshoe, the lens seems to extend almost 3 inches from the body.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/23/sigma-dp2-shows-itself-in-pre-production-form/
Gauging from the hotshoe, the lens seems to extend almost 3 inches from the body.
DougFord
on the good foot
This camera is rather compact. I have a Minolta cl with a sum-c 40mm lens mounted; I use a series of step-up rings as a make-shift hood. The depth of this setup measures approx. 3 inches. The dp2 specs are 4.5” (w), 2.3” (h), 2.2(d). I’m assuming that the depth measurement is with the lens retracted. So add another inch, lens extended?
The rest of the measurements and weight favor the dp2 by far with regards to compactness.
The other aps-c hybrid camera, Samsung nx mock-up, looked to be even more compact.
I find this new niche of aps-c hybrid compact cameras to be most intriguing.
The rest of the measurements and weight favor the dp2 by far with regards to compactness.
The other aps-c hybrid camera, Samsung nx mock-up, looked to be even more compact.
I find this new niche of aps-c hybrid compact cameras to be most intriguing.
shenkerian
Established
Oh, I definitely find this new niche intriguing (and encouraging). But I agree with endustry - I'm looking for a compact camera, and the DP2 is just too big. The Contax T3 is 1.4" deep with an excellent f/2.8 lens.
Still, I almost want to buy one just to support Sigma. They obviously get it on some level.
Still, I almost want to buy one just to support Sigma. They obviously get it on some level.
JohnL
Very confused
You can switch the G10 to ft/in - tools menu - distance units. Page 60 in the manual.... for some reason the g10 has an awesome scale but only in meters? after so many years of scale focusing with my brain in "feet" mode i just can't seem to think "meters". ...
blazeicehockey
Brand New In Box
Good lens on the DP1
Good lens on the DP1
Although the DP1 (and DP2) are only just about pocketable (they will fit into a suit pocket), what you are getting is lens quality. The DP1 lens has been compared favourably to its bigger brother equivelents on a DP1 vs Sigma SD14 + zoom lens test, getting like for like results....nice and sharp thoughout, with minimal distortion etc, and Canon 5D-esque definiton levels.
Good lens on the DP1
Although the DP1 (and DP2) are only just about pocketable (they will fit into a suit pocket), what you are getting is lens quality. The DP1 lens has been compared favourably to its bigger brother equivelents on a DP1 vs Sigma SD14 + zoom lens test, getting like for like results....nice and sharp thoughout, with minimal distortion etc, and Canon 5D-esque definiton levels.
palec
Well-known
The zoomie buttons are in a bad place...the thumb will hit them all the time thereby ruling out setting ISO or something to them...hmmmm
Nearly same layout has Ricoh GRDII and it works for me without problems. Thumb is placed between button columns and can reach controls pretty comfortable. For me the DP1 layout looks more limiting. I see this as step forward.
Harry Lime
Practitioner
I wonder if Sigma will upgrade the DP1 with the new processing engine of the DP2...
blazeicehockey
Brand New In Box
It might be fixed firmware hence not
It might be fixed firmware hence not
A DP1 II perhaps?
It might be fixed firmware hence not
I wonder if Sigma will upgrade the DP1 with the new processing engine of the DP2...
A DP1 II perhaps?
boy_lah
Discovering RF
Sigma previously said DP1 will remain 'as is' but who knows.
Looking forward to the iso1600-3200 feature - i'm guessing it'll be in B&W only. Essentially what I've been doing manually so far but now in camera.
Looking forward to the iso1600-3200 feature - i'm guessing it'll be in B&W only. Essentially what I've been doing manually so far but now in camera.
M4streetshooter
Tourist Thru Life
Nearly same layout has Ricoh GRDII and it works for me without problems. Thumb is placed between button columns and can reach controls pretty comfortable. For me the DP1 layout looks more limiting. I see this as step forward.
On the DP1, the buttons are horizontal....and the "T" button on the right,
I used to set it to ISO but would always hit it with my thumb....
now I have it to do nuttin...the "W" button does the ISO and sometimes I hit that by accident....
if the buttons are vertical, then the are in an even more dangerous place...right at the grip point for the thumb...
btw, I am using Richard's grip on the camera.....
don
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Solinar
Analog Preferred
Imaging Resource has a new DP2 video on Youtube from 2009 PMA Show in Las Vegas.
FA Limited
missing in action
must say, the samples on their site are super impressive
Sam N
Well-known
This is a sticking point for me. Compact camera with 3" telescoping lens = not compact camera IMHO. Ricoh has been making f/2.4 28mm prime compacts for over a decade that don't telescope half this much. I want to pat Sigma on the head and say, "Thanks for thinking of us prosumers and all but please for the love of all that is f**cking holy will you please hire an engineer who can differentiate between what is most efficient to build and what users want?" I'm waiting for the DP3 where they will hopefully (maybe) understand that the point of a prime lens is to be fast (missed on the DP-1) and compact (missed on the DP-2).
Flame away.
Who cares about the extended length if it collapses back down when you turn the camera off? They chose to make the lens reverse-telephoto (like SLR wide-angle lenses) to avoid light falloff and for more even sharpness across the frame. The close-to-the-film tiny f2.8 lenses from film P&Ses would vignette horribly.
I think it's pretty amazing that they managed to make a camera the same size as the LX3 with a sensor ~8 times as large. So the lens isn't as fast, doesn't zoom, and extends a few mm further. It's also pretty sharp wide open and largely free of distortion and abberations.
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Sam N
Well-known
By the way, Amazon is estimating delivery somewhere between 4/29 and 6/05... so basically May.
Tuolumne
Veteran
By the way, Amazon is estimating delivery somewhere between 4/29 and 6/05... so basically May.
And B&H is showing a price of $649.95.
/T
Zoeica
Well-known
Amazon for today only thurs 04/09 has the DP1 for $399
andrewteee
Established
Amazon DP1
Amazon DP1
During a recent Amazon low price I ordered a DP1 and they shipped me a Chinese version, complete with Chinese manual and with the camera set to Chinese. Either a gray market or a mistake. They promptly replaced it overnight. The next day the price was back to normal. This was the Amazon price direct from them, not through one of their marketplace sellers.
On top of that there was absolutely no padding in the shipping box, just the DP1 box floating loosely inside.
Amazon DP1
During a recent Amazon low price I ordered a DP1 and they shipped me a Chinese version, complete with Chinese manual and with the camera set to Chinese. Either a gray market or a mistake. They promptly replaced it overnight. The next day the price was back to normal. This was the Amazon price direct from them, not through one of their marketplace sellers.
On top of that there was absolutely no padding in the shipping box, just the DP1 box floating loosely inside.
retrography
Newbie
On top of that there was absolutely no padding in the shipping box, just the DP1 box floating loosely inside.
They are known for doing that. They just toss the item in the shipping box and maybe one of those air cushions if you're lucky. Either way the item is is floating around loosely and they tend to use larger than necessary shipping boxes so plenty of opportunities for damage in transit. Price does not seem to make a difference with how they pack things. I have a DP2 on pre-order with them but I'm thinking of going with Adorama on it instead.
:bang:
andrewteee
Established
I'm giving up on Amazon.com. Just yesterday I received an expanded copy of The Americans, and same thing - a 10 pound book floating inside a box without any padding whatsoever. Corners were dented and scratches on the cover. I sent it back today.
Sam N
Well-known
I've had a lot of bad luck with books on amazon... my copy of The Americans was slightly damaged, and a couple of other books had printing errors. With electronics, however, I've had excellent results. Their return policies are also excellent. I agree that they sometimes are sloppy about padding items, but I've never received any damaged electronics from them.
Their DP1 was 399 for a bit and now it's back up.
Their DP1 was 399 for a bit and now it's back up.
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