The next digital M: When?

[Keith]

I object ...I`m getting at least 30 shots per battery with my Merrills and the write time is a swift ten seconds ....fast enough I say 😀

And this is it Michael .... you pays your money and you makes your choice.

I chose image quality ... as have you! 🙂

 

[pmu]

I object ...I`m getting at least 30 shots per battery with my Merrills and the write time is a swift ten seconds ....fast enough I say 😀

I did not know about Merrill battery life. That is quite humorous 🙂

To keep peace in the forum, we can agree, that in future let's compare the negative sides of digital M bodies (battery life, write/processing speed) to Merrills! LCD etc. issues we can compare to cameras from 2004. Prices we can compare to Hasselblads. Then everyone stays happy, because Leica wins in every category 😉 Peace!

 

[pmu]

I chose image quality ... as have you! 🙂

Those Merrill images look mighty fine!

Just out of curiosity, I counted how many batteries would I have needed on that one trip last winter if I had used Merrills instead if Nikon (with single battery). Hard to guess how many pictures could one take with single battery in -40C / -40F degrees, but if it would be 30, I would have needed 25 batteries 😀 Maybe Merrill is not for me, haha.

 

[airfrogusmc]

I did not know about Merrill battery life. That is quite humorous 🙂

To keep peace in the forum, we can agree, that in future let's compare the negative sides of digital M bodies (battery life, write/processing speed) to Merrills! LCD etc. issues we can compare to cameras from 2004. Prices we can compare to Hasselblads. Then everyone stays happy, because Leica wins in every category 😉 Peace!

Again in the really important area like IQ and output the Leica MM can run with the new big dog the d800. So your point? Because the final print is what matters, If you are in New York on the July 1 please stop in and see a 13X19 print that I will have in this exhibit.
I was selected for this exhibit at the Soho Gallery in New York. It was a juried show and only 40 images were chosen from over 2000. The opening is July 1.

Heres the info..
http://www.sohophoto.com/participate/competitions/national/

So this old technology is serving me just fine. It shouldn't be about chasing the latest and greatest but about finding equipment that matches your vision. THe gadget go round is hard to get off of once you jump on. You will never have the perfect camera because it will never be made especially when chasing the one size fits all. But you can find cameras that match you vision. And the Leica MM is the perfect match for me and the way I see and work.

A great quote made during the film days but still applies today.
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."- Ernst Haas

 

[pseudobreccia]

The next M should debut...

The next M should debut...

I am wondering when we will see the next M and or a newer sensor with later generation technology? I held off for some time and am using My M8 occasionally and use mostly my x Pro1 and Sony A7r with adapter. I agree nothing replaces an M but since the M24O had been out for a time now, something tells me to wait and see what may he coming if I am to spend $7k.

The next M should make its debut on 22 January 2022. Only eight more years!

 

[icebear]

... 😀 Maybe Merrill is not for me, haha.

Now we are finally getting somewhere ...
you just have to accept that also Leica M is not for you
and then you can relax and be happy. It's so easy 😉.

 

[icebear]

The next M should make its debut on 22 January 2022. Only eight more years!

Make that February 😉 : 02/22/2022

 

[pmu]

My last post to this thread, I promise!

Again in the really important area like IQ and output the Leica MM can run with the new big dog the d800. So your point?

It seems that the obvious negative sides of digital Leicas cannot be pointed out without someone getting offended, but at the same time it's perfectly fine to dismiss the fantastic side of modern DSLR's because of the obvious: they are bulky and they don't have rangefinders. See the contradiction? If you ever travel to Alaska in winter, please do then report how did your MM batteries last in those freezing temperatures. Then we can maybe discuss again if good battery life is important or not.

"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."- Ernst Haas

See, again, your reasoning doesn't make any sense. You keep telling how MM fits you perfectly and better than any other camera before, and then you post a quote which says that it doesn't matter which camera you use. So, did you buy the most expensive and niche FF digital on the market because camera "does" or "does not" make a diffenrence? If it doesn't, why would anyone buy a MM? Duh?

 

[Fraser]

My last post to this thread, I promise!



It seems that the obvious negative sides of digital Leicas cannot be pointed out without someone getting offended, but at the same time it's perfectly fine to dismiss the otherwise fantastic side of modern DSLR's, just because they are bulky and they don't have rangefinders. See the contradiction? If you ever travel to Alaska in winter, please do then report how did your MM batteries last in those freezing temperatures. Then we can maybe discuss again if good battery life is important or not.




See, again, your reasoning doesn't make any sense. You keep telling how MM fits you perfectly and better than any other camera before, and then you post a quote which says that it doesn't matter which camera you use. So, did you buy the most expensive and niche FF digital on the market because camera "does" or "does not" make a diffenrence? If it doesn't, why would anyone buy a MM? Duh?

+1
I've noticed the same thing Leica can do no wrong yet DSLRS are too bulky and have autofocus imagine! some would say they are even reliable.

 

[Lss]

If you ever travel to Alaska in winter, please do then report how did your MM batteries last in those freezing temperatures. Then we can maybe discuss again if good battery life is important or not.

I use my M8 every winter without issues. Sure, I need more than one battery to photograph for 13 days. I need more than one to photograph for one day. The battery life is however comparable to pretty much any compact system camera out there. While battery life is important, there is a simple solution to a dead battery: bring another one. Your use case is extreme enough to be prepared.

 

[airfrogusmc]

My last post to this thread, I promise!



It seems that the obvious negative sides of digital Leicas cannot be pointed out without someone getting offended, but at the same time it's perfectly fine to dismiss the fantastic side of modern DSLR's because of the obvious: they are bulky and they don't have rangefinders. See the contradiction? If you ever travel to Alaska in winter, please do then report how did your MM batteries last in those freezing temperatures. Then we can maybe discuss again if good battery life is important or not.




See, again, your reasoning doesn't make any sense. You keep telling how MM fits you perfectly and better than any other camera before, and then you post a quote which says that it doesn't matter which camera you use. So, did you buy the most expensive and niche FF digital on the market because camera "does" or "does not" make a diffenrence? If it doesn't, why would anyone buy a MM? Duh?

You really miss the point. Find a camera and learn to fully use it but you are to rapped up in the specs instead of what you can create. Find something that matches your vision and don't worry if the battery is giving yo ua week or not especially if you can get the images that you need from what you have learned to use but thats real hard for those stuck on the gadget go round to understand.

And it seem like to some that the things that should be really important to making an image are secondary to battery life. LoL....

 

[airfrogusmc]

No autofocus is faster than being pre-focused and for work that is all about the moment I have yet to find a reliable autofocus better than using DoF scales and the ones DSLR auto focus lenses absolutely suck. And when you are on the street size does matter. My Canons are twice the size of my MM.

 

[Fraser]

No autofocus is faster than being pre-focused and for work that is all about the moment I have yet to find a reliable autofocus better than using DoF scales and the ones DSLR auto focus lenses absolutely suck. And when you are on the street size does matter. My Canons are twice the size of my MM.

Thats fine if all you do is photograph slow things at f8🙂

 

[Michael Markey]

Thats fine if all you do is photograph slow things at f8🙂

Yes they are limited ...I don`t use them to take sports shots of horses for example.

But if you look at the type of shots on this forum and in the gallery it`s the right tool for the job.

Remember this is a Rangefinder forum so its doesn`t seem unreasonable that people here will favour a Leica over a DSLR ... no ?

I fail to understand why people are surprised at this.

 

[JMQ]

Make that February 😉 : 02/22/2022

Yes, it will be the Typ 2202-2202

 

[digitalBerg]

im not in a hurry, just got my new M... Love it!

 

[airfrogusmc]

Thats fine if all you do is photograph slow things at f8🙂

Does this look like a slow thing at f8

The moving bike exactly between the two in the background. Right where I wanted it. One well place round....

Most of my personal work is all about timing and incredibly fast moving and changing environments and that is exactly why I shoot with what I shoot with.

 

[airfrogusmc]

im not in a hurry, just got my new M... Love it!

Congrats. It is a great camera....

 

[airfrogusmc]

Written a very long time ago but maybe even more true today.
"The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don't know what to do with it." - Edward Weston

 

[pmu]

Sorry all, I came back 🙄 (but I'm getting tired to this so...)

Find a camera and learn to fully use it but you are to rapped up in the specs instead of what you can create. Find something that matches your vision and don't worry if the battery is giving yo ua week or not especially if you can get the images that you need from what you have learned to use but thats real hard for those stuck on the gadget go round to understand.

Thanks for your general photography "advises", but I have been happily using my main workhorse since 2010 when I bought it second hand, and I have no need to replace it yet.

No autofocus is faster than being pre-focused and for work that is all about the moment I have yet to find a reliable autofocus better than using DoF scales and the ones DSLR auto focus lenses absolutely suck.

Nice that it works for you. Doesn't work for me, because I really dislike that particular look.